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B King
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 Posted - 02/27/2008 : 12:25:12
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Folks
Every year Colorado outdoor sports list the farms available, game and cost for the year. The reservations are different from the normal system where we call and reserve a few months in advance. Due to the limited spaces and license draws. Chandler starts filling the spots next week. They go quickly also
For those who might want a elk, deer and antelope hunt in CO or WY. Now is the time to get going. In areas that are 100% guarantee on tags he expects full payment. The hunts may range from daily fees to a season fee.
Let me know what you are interested in. I will do what I can to get you the info needed. The hunts can be very cheap to some real high quality do it yourself hunts. If you have children and would like to expose them to a inexpensive hunt. I would suggest one of the antleope hunts available.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
bking@team-asc.com
kingfisher1719@aol.com
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frank
Average Member
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 14:07:06
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Bob, corect me if I'm wrong but I thought being a part of AWA every club had to do the reservations the same? I know each club can have slight veriations but I thought they had some kind of guiedline they had to follow. I'm just cirious (sp?) is all.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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B King
Administrator
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 15:21:56
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The reservation system is not the same between clubs. It is something Mike has tried to get changed. We are all affiliated but each club still controls its own rules on procedure. Some follow the guidelines we use but others control everything on their own. Mainly COS, because he runs some of his hunts with access for the entire season. For example some farms only allow five deer hunters per year. COS will charge you a fee and that farm is your group's for the entire season. The fees can be quite high in some cases but worth it. I have also found out.... the reservations are not open to us immediately. The out of state clubs allow their members one day before us to make a reservation. Todd has found this out.
This is why I try to get memos out to remind everyone to act quickly. The COS (western farms) go quickly if they are cheap or any good. If you wait until fall for OTC tags most likey the good farms will be gone for the season. Not many are day fees, most are weekly/season fees.
Problems we have experienced has been in states/units that we have to draw in. Example might be KS. You have to apply in May yet you can't reserve until July. When you apply to have to put down a unit. If you get drawn we have to try to get you a farm in that unit. You don't get statewide tags. We had one group run into a problem. I have found in some states I can recommend a good area that local members don't travel to because its not as close to the big cities. Many of the westrn farms in KS have never had a deer hunter.
I try to stay up on it but it changes every year. Mike has tried to get them to make some sweeping changes. AWA can't figure why we have a problem with the system.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
bking@team-asc.com
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teamasc
Forum Admin
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 09:08:52
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I'll add to Bob's comments that for bow and bird hunting, you can't make reservations until 10 days before you hunt. Luckily, with archery, there is less pressure than firearm deer hunting in most of the western states.
And we can have pretty much any rule we want, just have to be sure that we can enforce it ourselves. We let folks reserve more units than any of the other clubs. In most cases, you get one unit until 12pm the day before your reservation, at which time you can reserve the rest of the farm if it is still open. You will find that since the Colorado club does things differently than most of us, they don't have a lot of land in the reservation system.
We have been working with the other clubs to make things easier, and we are slowly getting some movement in our favor. They have a lot of properties go unused, and if they can make it favorable for our folks to use it, then they can make a better profit. Win for both us and them.
Todd Alexander
ASC Membership Services Manager
talexander@team-asc.com
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Plore
Junior Member
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 09:19:49
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This all seems like a lot of pain. One common thing I'm noticing is seems these other clubs have some form of exclusive land package. I still say we could do well with that. for example, pick up a 300 acre farm, split it into 2 or 3 units, sell each unit at appropriate cost, then simply make an entry in our system for a "1 year reserveration". So a member or prospective member could simply pay the fee then make the 1 year reservation.
Paul Lorenc
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B King
Administrator
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 09:39:15
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Originally posted by Plore
This all seems like a lot of pain. One common thing I'm noticing is seems these other clubs have some form of exclusive land package. I still say we could do well with that. for example, pick up a 300 acre farm, split it into 2 or 3 units, sell each unit at appropriate cost, then simply make an entry in our system for a "1 year reserveration". So a member or prospective member could simply pay the fee then make the 1 year reservation.
Paul Lorenc
734-558-3554 (cell)
Southern Michigan Land Manager
You know my feeling on this. There are ways we can do this without taking away from what we already have. It has been talked about. Anytime change is made we have to make sure it does not effect existing members. We lose membrs for various reasons. This quite possibly could be one of the larger issues. Many trophy hunters like less pressure. From a market stand point a trohy hunter will tend to open his wallet quicker. I do like the way we have done things.
Back to the out of state. You will find many of the units out of state are much bigger then ours. They pay a lot less per acre so they can do that. One unit could be 1000's of acres. By paying less for the lease they also have a higher turn over on properties then ASC does. What we consider good in terms of quality of game, is poor in many places out west. They just don't have the hunting pressure.
As Todd mentioned. Try planning a trip, not knowing until ten days in advance where you will land. When you had to apply for a tag 5 months before. We are working on it but with some good homework I can get you a place. Only problem might be if you apply for a high demand area near a local large city.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
bking@team-asc.com
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frank
Average Member
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 14:35:40
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As Todd mentioned. Try planning a trip, not knowing until ten days in advance where you will land. When you had to apply for a tag 5 months before. We are working on it but with some good homework I can get you a place. Only problem might be if you apply for a high demand area near a local large city.
This and the fact that I'm broke are why I will continue to hunt in michigan and not go out west.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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B King
Administrator
333 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2008 : 14:45:49
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Originally posted by frank
As Todd mentioned. Try planning a trip, not knowing until ten days in advance where you will land. When you had to apply for a tag 5 months before. We are working on it but with some good homework I can get you a place. Only problem might be if you apply for a high demand area near a local large city.
This and the fact that I'm broke are why I will continue to hunt in michigan and not go out west.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
Frank
Its really not that bad. Only a few places cause headaches. If a hunter really wants to give out of state a shot. You can't beat what we have available for the prices.
Last year the landowner of #114 and I were in Kanssas. We are hunting a piece of private ground not in the club for free. We had all kinds of troubles with trespassing. I got on the web and found a piece of club ground just North of us. No one had ever deer hunted the 600 acre unit we had. I saw up to 26 deer everytime I sat. Mulies and whitetails. No major troubles with trespassing either. The cost for the day fees was very small. It salvaged our trip. If I draw a tag for that area again I will hunt it.
Some people have no urge to go out of state and thats fine. I grew up in Northern MI. To be honest, I like to get away from crowds and barking dogs. Hunting in Sounthern MI does not do it for me. The quality and quantity of deer in the north lacks. You go west and you will see what I am talking about.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
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