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grouse
Starting Member
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 Posted - 12/03/2006 : 22:40:31
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I have been kicking the idea of joining around for a couple years now. My question is, why are the properties cut up so small? Some are 30 acres or less.
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KIRBY1
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:21:58
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Hello Grouse,
My name is Mike Kirby. I'm the Gen Mgr. of ASC. My best answer would be that sometimes we have properties that lend itself to a quality and safe hunting experience.
It's not our goal to have small parcels, it works out that way based on whether or not our members will still have a successful and safe hunt. We have some units up to 100 acres each or more. But generally today I think it's more likely that you'll notice our units growing into 50 to 80 acre units, rather than the smaller acres.
Our members can also reserve multiple units next to eachother and so you can end up with more than just 100 acres. Initially, we kept the units smaller, because we were growing. But, it's our intentions to really keep an eye on the sizes of the units and whether or not its working for us or not.
We average today roughly 45 acres across the board per unit over 4,000 acres and roughly 85 to 90 +/- units. But, like I said if we members who reserve multiple units next to eachother and if they have a buddy or family member who is also a ASC member they can end up reserve an entire farm.
At the same time, 10 acres of woods lets say, is like saying you're sitting in a 500,000 sq. ft. building all to yourself. That's a huge building. Now, if you're on a 20 acre parcel that's almost 1 Million sq. ft building and so on.
So, I don't know if I answered your question, feel free to ask any other questions.
Thank you for your interest in ASC.
Michael P. Kirby Sr.
ASC General Manager
mike@team-asc.com
www.team-asc.com |
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grouse
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 20:22:23
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| Thanks Mike, If I understand you correctly, the intention is to increase parcel size in the future. I understand that 10, 20 or 30 acres can provide a quality hunt, not my concern. I like to have options as conditions, such as wind or pressure, require last mnute changes in stand locations. But if its possible to reserve 1-2 units, that could possibly be the answer I was looking for. |
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JimmyC
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 21:04:42
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Grouse,
I love to have "privacy" when I hunt and can say that I almost always have plenty of elbow room on many of my hunts. Of course, it helps that I am rather flexible and usually have various options to go to. And yes, in fact you can book more than one unit (within our rules).
My experience is that the smaller parcels, combined with our well thought out and functional rules for reservations keeps any one person from booking up everything and maintains opportunity/choices for each persons individual tastes so to speak.
Hope that helps.
Jim |
Edited by - JimmyC on 12/04/2006 22:44:22 |
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grouse
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/05/2006 : 20:38:12
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Ok guys. thanks for the input. Heres what I am looking at. Options are either get my own lease or join asc. WHat im concerned about is areas getting burned out by guys that are not as conscientious about entry and exits routes, scent control and stand placement. Those of you that have experience hunting these properties, are they getting hit hard? How would you describe the average asc member?
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teamasc
Forum Admin
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Posted - 12/06/2006 : 11:09:15
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Grouse,
We allow up to 4 units to be reserved at one time. You can start out with one 3 months ahead of the day you plan to hunt, then add a second 1 month prior to the hunt date, and finally add 2 more the day before the day you hunt. This is all done online through our reservation website. Also, you can hunt with other members of the club who may have multiple reservations.
Most of the folks in the club are very accommodating. Last weekend, I hunted a total of 160 acres. Sat in the morning for deer with my ML on 40 acres, then hunted pheasants with a couple of the members in the afternoon.
You will see some of the properties get pressure, and with the neighbors you will see deer movement change. However, there is still a better than average chance of getting a crack at a good buck. We can show that by the bucks that have been taken and seen later in the season. Thanksgiving day, one of our managers took a huge 12pt on our hardest hit property (20 acres in Oakland Co.) with his bow. Last weekend, I know of a 150+ 8 pt that was seen on one of our Hillsdale properties. Not saying they are easy to get, but they are there and opportunities to get a shot are there, also. It just takes a little time to get used to the property and figure out how the pressure the deer do see affect them.
Having access to the sister club properties is a special bonus. This year myself and 2 friends had access to 340 acres of Kansas property to hunt whitetails for 8 days. The property had seen virtually no hunting pressure the whole year. It was a great 8 day hunt that cost less than $1000, with $400 being the cost of the license.
Todd Alexander
ASC Membership Services Manager
talexander@team-asc.com
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frank
Average Member
682 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2006 : 12:59:38
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Grouse
My Name is Frank Manning, I have been a member of the club senice the first full hunting season. Now I don't much care about shooting big trophy bucks or bucks at all for that matter, I can tell you I personaly have seen a couple nice bucks on different propertys, meaning they are above anything I have shot to date witch was a 6pt. I live in the northern thumb area and mostly hunt the Yale,Lapeer and Genesee propertys. In my oppion the 3 propertys that get used the most are Oakland (112) the Yale (104) and Lapeer (104). 2 of the 3 propertys have had a "trophy" buck shot off them in the last parts of the deer season, meaning after the first full week of gunseason. I hope this helps.
Frank Manning
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ggrich1951
Starting Member
16 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2006 : 19:53:27
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| Hi everyone, Todd that buck put me over the edge I have always said I wanted an Iowa, Illnois or Kansas buck and I stated a fund (don't tell Christina)the day after your post so I will be able to travel next year to one of our sister properties. thanks Mike Richards |
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mikehutch
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 16:25:52
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I've debated joining this club for a number of years but have yet to pull the trigger. I have a great spot to hunt deer in Missouri and have just returned. Now that I've added up what it cost for this trip, especially the gas, the idea of this club is becoming more appealing.
From Frank's response are there statistic kept that the members can access in regards to how heavy or light the hunting is and has been for each property? |
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frank
Average Member
682 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 18:38:24
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Mike
Yes there is a list kept to determin how much hunting is done on all of the propertys. It's called a Harvest report that "MUST" be filled out after a hunt by all the members including the Management. It gives types of game seen, type of game hunted ect. We don't ask that you state the size of a big buck you have seen just put down seen a buck. These are also used by the Management team in determining wether or not to keep a property. All members have access to not only the Harvest reports from our club but also the sister club's. This way if your planing a trip to SD for pheasants you can determin if club property would be worth the time to hunt. This is also true for Big Game I just used SD and pheasants because it was easy. I hope this helps If you have any other qustions feel free to shoot me a e-mail or give me a call.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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Plore
Junior Member
370 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2007 : 13:09:30
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To expand on this a bit I would say that in addition to quality and safety, unit size is somewhat determined by the overall business and financial model of the club. In order to keep the membership costs down there needs to be a proper balance between the overall acreage that the club leases, amount of members, and amount of units. It's not uncommon for 150-200 acre farms in Southern Michigan to cost $3-$4000 on an annual basis. By structuring these into units we find a good balance between quality/safety and cost structure.
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Originally posted by KIRBY1
Hello Grouse,
My name is Mike Kirby. I'm the Gen Mgr. of ASC. My best answer would be that sometimes we have properties that lend itself to a quality and safe hunting experience.
It's not our goal to have small parcels, it works out that way based on whether or not our members will still have a successful and safe hunt. We have some units up to 100 acres each or more. But generally today I think it's more likely that you'll notice our units growing into 50 to 80 acre units, rather than the smaller acres.
Our members can also reserve multiple units next to eachother and so you can end up with more than just 100 acres. Initially, we kept the units smaller, because we were growing. But, it's our intentions to really keep an eye on the sizes of the units and whether or not its working for us or not.
We average today roughly 45 acres across the board per unit over 4,000 acres and roughly 85 to 90 +/- units. But, like I said if we members who reserve multiple units next to eachother and if they have a buddy or family member who is also a ASC member they can end up reserve an entire farm.
At the same time, 10 acres of woods lets say, is like saying you're sitting in a 500,000 sq. ft. building all to yourself. That's a huge building. Now, if you're on a 20 acre parcel that's almost 1 Million sq. ft building and so on.
So, I don't know if I answered your question, feel free to ask any other questions.
Thank you for your interest in ASC.
Michael P. Kirby Sr.
ASC General Manager
mike@team-asc.com
www.team-asc.com
Paul Lorenc
734-558-3554 (cell)
Property Manager SE Mich |
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WHy are the properties cut up so small?
