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frank
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 Posted - 10/20/2006 : 18:38:58
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Well I hunted Property 115 in Tuscola Co. with my uncle and cozin. We ended up seeing 3 birds with 2 of them being roosters the other was not identified. We ended up the day with 1 rooster in the bag. We then went to a budys place and released some tame birds for the dogs to work. Had some nice work from my young females.
Well I hope everyone had as good of a time as we did today.
Frank Manning
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teamasc
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 20:34:07
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I hunted 121 and 123 with Kuch. We flushed 7 birds off 121, only 1 shot, a miss. Birds were very wary tonight, and the dogs were having trouble scenting. on 123, we flushed 4 roosters, no shots. Birds were flushing 50 yds from the dog before we even got near the dogs. Didn't help that I had forgotten my whistle and had to holler to keep the dogs in check. At any rate, had a great time. That 123 property has a lot of potential. If you chase birds on it, there is a ton of running room for them, be prepared to work for them. Going back in the morning to deer hunt a few hours, then chase some more roosters.
Todd Alexander
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B King
Administrator
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 22:12:28
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Frank
Landowner has been releasng birds on 115 and 114 the last few weeks. I am glad to here you saw birds. I will pass this onto him. He was going to let more go today but heard and saw a few flying around so he did not.
My son went over there and had to take care of wild cat hunting them behind his house Wednesday evening.
Bob King
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frank
Average Member
682 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2006 : 17:28:15
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Bob can you let me know when he cuts the corn? I think it would be better when he cuts the corn as its real tall in some places and you cant tell if you flush birds unless they are in the row your walking down.
Frank Manning
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teamasc
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Posted - 10/21/2006 : 21:06:29
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Well, things went much better for me today. The damp weather had the birds sitting tighter and the dogs had better scenting. Took me all of 10 minutes to bag 2 roosters on 123 after a morning bow hunt. Going to repeat the same tomorrow, but planning to try to hunt 120 for birds.
Todd Alexander
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B King
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Posted - 10/21/2006 : 22:38:27
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I am going to take my young dog over to 115 Sunday. If anyone wants to pair up for the day let me know? Adam and I want to do some bird hunting. I have found two dogs work better sometimes. Hopefully the rain does not become a monsoon.
Frank
I will let you know when they pull the corn. I don't know how many birds Dean has left but I am sure he will release more.
This might be something we could consider. Giving those landowners who raise and feed the bird some money to help defer his cost.
Bob King
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frank
Average Member
682 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 11:56:20
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Well didn't do as good out on property 116 as I had hoped on Saturday. We made 1 pass east to west when we noticed a truck driving through the field??? They stoped about 50yards south of the woods in the middle of the field. Found out it was part of the crew that is doing the wood cutting on this property, they where cutting up the logs for transport. that ended the day for us. Ended up seeing 2 birds 1 of witch was a rooster, but like Todd the day before this bird was a runner. He ended up flushing wild about 45 yards in front of the dog with the dog at a dead run infront of me at about 30 yards. the other bird flushed on the east side of the strip of trees on the edge of Unit C into the corn field. Ended the day with a grouse hunt flushed 7 grouse and 1 bird not sure if it was a small grouse or a large woodcock. I got 1 grouse for the day.
Bob
Does Dean buy chicks or does he buy eggs? I for one would be willing to help with the cost I think it would be a good thing for the members with young dogs, this way we know there is some birds in the fields.
Frank Manning
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B King
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Posted - 10/22/2006 : 13:04:04
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Frank
Just got off the phone with Dean. He does buy chicks from a buddy of mine. I might start buying some and letting them go also.
Was the bird you shot on 115 a mature bird or a young one? Dean said there are some wild birds over there. He said his are younger.
We have to be careful with the road going into 114. It is getting tore up pretty good. He may have to stop traffic going in. Normally its not this wet over there. Most standing water I have ever seen over there.
Bob King
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frank
Average Member
682 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 19:37:02
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Bob
The bird I shot was a young bird. Did you do any good today? Does your buddy raise any mute birds? I prefer the ones I can shoot year round over the ringnecks, that way I don't need a permit to have them.
We got rained out this morning at 116. I ended up taking a couple buddy's of mine over this afternoon. We seen 4 birds but was unable to get any of them. I'm going to go over in the morning again if the weather holds off, No rain I will be there if it snows but not in the rain.
Frank Manning
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B King
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Posted - 10/22/2006 : 19:42:37
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We got rained out.
The guy that raises the birds does pheasants and sometimes quail. I am not sure how many birds Dean bought.
I may try to raise 50-100 this year. I just moved to the country so that opens up lots of opportunities
Bob King
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ggrich1951
Starting Member
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 10:27:03
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| the dnr web site has alot of info on permits and there are quite a few places to by chicks and equipment on the web,a friend of mine raises pheasants and guides for a club in Ohio last year they bought 10,000 chicks and only lost 900. surprising to me, he said birds killing each other accounted for most losses |
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frank
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 11:00:55
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The problem I have found with raising ringneck pheasants is you have to have a permit and you can only shoot them in the regular season. I prefer to raise Black/Green mutant pheasants, these you can shoot any time of the year. You also don't need any type of permit to raise them. I have a buddy of mine that I help raise them with he also raises cotornix quail these too you can shoot all year. The big problem with raising birds for releasing is on adverage you only get about 8% to live after relaseing them into the wild. You get the best results if you can release them when they are aproximitly 8-10 weeks old, this is when you get the 8-10% to live. In the past I have had a permit to raise wild game birds, at that time it cost $45.00 for the permit. I'm not sure what it cost now, the other "big" cost is the pen. The pen I had was 25'X50' and I could only put about 100 birds in it. I found that putting 100 birds in this pen was to many birds. I would say with that size pen you would be safe with aobut 75 birds max. We now have a pen that is 50X150 and we raise 200 birds with no problem. Most of our loss' was due to piling when the birds where chicks. I'm considering putting a new pen up this spring so I can raise some birds at my house, it will be aobut the same size as I had in the past. I'm not sure if I'mgoing to riase any ringneck pheasants or just stick with the birds that I wont need a permit to have.
Frank Manning
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ggrich1951
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 11:38:52
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teamasc
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 12:19:16
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One thing to consider when releasing raised birds. I have heard, not actually seen, of studies that show releasing pen raised birds has a negative affect on the wild bird population. Wild birds are more hardy, better survivors, by interbreeding with the pen raised birds, the claim is that the result is a less resilent strain of bird, which leads to a lower survival rate. Also, because predators learn that the released birds are there and vulnerable, they tend to focus more on the birds, which affects thier success on wild birds and increases predator numbers in the area, as well.
Todd Alexander
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frank
Average Member
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 13:27:26
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You are correct Todd, The predators do learn that the "local" pheasants are not real smart and they do target them. I think this is why the DNR stoped the put and take program in the 80's. They not only found the birds did not take but they where also just plain "stupid" birds. They even did away with the blackneck pheasant releasing program, Now these birds where a little hardier then the normal pen raised pheasants we see or get today but they still didn't take the way the DNR wanted them to. I don't understand why they (the DNR) can release Turkeys into the wild with such good sucess but the pheasants give them such problems. I know 1 pheasant farm that has a bad problem with predators, on any given trip out there we would find several dead birds in the fields. Now I know he does get some birds to live wild but I would say its less then 1% of the birds that make it through the hunters. The only time I have heard of a good release program is when you have a brushie field for the birds, they seem to do better in this type of area (like the 114 or 104 property's).
Frank Manning
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frank
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Posted - 10/29/2006 : 18:32:00
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Went back out to property 115 today. Almost got run over by 2 young deer. Seen 1 real nice rooster but was unable to get any lead into it. Went and ran some state land by my house for some grouse, seen 2 in about 45 minutes of hunting. Not a bad day for only being out for about 3 hours, 2 deer 2 grouse and 1 big ol rooster.
Frank Manning
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