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| JAK |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 13:00:32
We are look for some feedback on foodplots for waterfowl. Particularly 104. Does anyone have experience in this area? Our thought was to plant a rice, developed by Bio-logic, but from what I am reading it needs to be planted in 2 to 4 inches of water. Is this something that we feel can be accomplished on 104 and still be affective for 07?
HOW TO PLANT.
Waterfowl Forage can be planted as a dry land crop or in shallow water. Shallow water planting provides a natural way to control weeds that compete with rice. For best results, spread seed on a well-prepared seedbed at 50 lbs. per acre. Use a cultipacker to cover the seed, then flood the seedbed. Alternatively, broadcast the seed into 2 to 4 inches of water, such as the shallow portions of ponds or beaver swamps, then disturb the bottom to cover the seed (riding an ATV over the shallow area will provide ample coverage). Rice will grow in non-flooded fields provided normal rainfall amounts occur and a pre-emergent herbicide is used to control competing weeds.
WHEN TO PLANT.
Waterfowl Forage matures between 100 and 120 days. Therefore, plant at least 120 days before the average fall frost date. The cultivar is very cold tolerant, and will usually continue maturing after the first frost.
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| Dan |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 19:31:22
Kesters wild game food nurseries have many good aquatic plants-duck foods (www.kestersnursery.com). There experts can offer good advice. I have used them for years with good luck. |
| wbaie |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 15:33:49
lol Sorry Frank, I guess the secrets out now. Maybe we should make that a small game only property. I'm starting to feel unloved with all the single gamers in the club. |
| frank |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 10:49:26
Willy, why do you want to lie to people like that? You know there is NO pheasents out on them propertys. You should have your mouth washed out with soap for lieing like that ;) . I just have to figure out how to keep you "Rabbit" hunters out of there on October 20th as that is a good day to....... Deer hunt ya that's it I'm deer hunting.
Frank Manning
Mid Michigan/Thumb Area
LandManager
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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| wbaie |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 09:30:42
Todd I am surprised you never seen the pond on E. Everytime I've been out there we have seen signs of pheasents. |
| frank |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 08:37:16
I was going to talk to Dean prior to doing anything out on 114. I have some other ideas I would like to talk to Dean about consirning both the 114 and 115 propertys. Todd the pond willy and I where talking about is not the one with the swimming area, its in the other unit adn is much smaller.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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| B King |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 08:26:45
I would advise not to do anything on #114 without checking with the landowner.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
bking@team-asc.com
kingfisher1719@aol.com |
| teamasc |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 08:20:04
quote:
Originally posted by wbaie
Hey was there any thought for the food plot in that pond on section e at birch run?
Frank,
Be sure you talk to Dean first. I know he doesn't like having birds in the one pond due to the swim area. We don't want to make a mess out of it. Not sure what the other pond is like, since I've never been to it.
Todd Alexander
ASC Membership Services Manager
talexander@team-asc.com
www.team-asc.com
734-552-4839 |
| frank |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 00:02:26
Willy, I was actually thinking of both propertys and the one Todd wants to put woodduck boxes on down in Hillsdale Co.. I don't know if it will make it to all the propertys but I plan on trying to put it out in birtch run and at the lapeer property.
Now I just need to find out where to order it from. I think Todd has this information also, hint hint Todd.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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| wbaie |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 17:37:34
Hey was there any thought for the food plot in that pond on section e at birch run? |
| teamasc |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 10:18:15
The MDNR response was written by someone who does not understand the question, or the federal baiting rules. Directly from the FWS (I have bolded the important parts.):
What Is Baiting?
You cannot hunt waterfowl by the aid of baiting or on or over any baited area where you know or reasonably should know that the area is or has been baited.
Baiting is the direct or indirect placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or scattering of salt, grain, or other feed that could lure or attract waterfowl to, on, or over any areas where hunters are attempting to take them.
A baited area is any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, if that salt, grain, or feed could serve as a lure or attraction for waterfowl.
The 10-Day Rule
A baited area remains off limits to hunting for 10 days after all salt, grain, or other feed has been completely removed. This rule recognizes that waterfowl will still be attracted to the same area even after the bait is gone.
Waterfowl Hunting on Agricultural Lands
Agricultural lands offer prime waterfowl hunting opportunities. You can hunt waterfowl in fields of unharvested standing crops. You can also hunt over standing crops that have been flooded. You can flood fields after crops are harvested and use these areas for waterfowl hunting.
The presence of seed or grain in an agricultural area rules out waterfowl hunting unless the seed or grain is scattered solely as the result of a normal agricultural planting, normal agricultural harvesting, normal agricultural post-harvest manipulation, or normal soil stabilization practice.
These activities must be conducted in accordance with recommendations of the State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (Cooperative Extension Service).
Planting
A normal agricultural planting is undertaken for the purpose of producing a crop. The Fish and Wildlife Service does not make a distinction between agricultural fields planted with the intent to harvest a crop and those planted without such intent so long as the planting is in accordance with recommendations from the Cooperative Extension Service.
Normal agricultural plantings do not involve the placement of seeds in piles or other heavy concentrations. Relevant factors include recommended planting dates, proper seed distribution, seed bed preparation, application rate, and seed viability.
A normal soil stabilization practice is a planting for agricultural soil erosion control or post mining land reclamation conducted in accordance with recommendations of the Cooperative Extension Service.
Lands planted by means of top sowing or aerial seeding can only be hunted if seeds are present solely as the result of a normal agricultural planting or normal soil stabilization practice (see section on wildlife food plots).
If we used the interpretation from MDNR that were posted, the MDNR would be in violation of the rules at Harsens Island, Pt Moullie, and a dozen other places. As long as we harvest the rice as would normally be done, or leave it there we are fine. We can't go in and knock all the rice off the plants and leave it there during season, but the stuff on the plants, and any that falls off naturally would be ok.
I remember hunting doves in Indiana one year, where the Indiana DNR was fined by the FWS for baiting waterfowl. They had planted wheat for dove fiels. Just before season, they mowed the fields and left the grain. For a couple years, they would allow goose hunters to use the field in the morning, then the dove hunters got it in the afternoon. The Feds fined them because they mowed the fields with no attempt to pick up the grain, if they had done that, they would have been fine. The fix was to allow dove hunting (their baiting rules are slightly different than waterfowl), but close the fields to waterfowl hunting.
While hunting teal in OH, I have been checked by FWS officers while hunting in flooded buckwheat fields, placed solely for attracting waterfowl and they never batted an eye at it.
Todd Alexander
ASC Membership Services Manager
talexander@team-asc.com
www.team-asc.com
734-552-4839 |
| skola |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 08:26:11
I recieved the same answer as you Frank.
If wild rice was planted around a pond on private property for habitat imporvement would it be legal to hunt over during open waterfowl seasons?
No person shall take or attempt to take migratory game birds (including woodcock)by the aid of baiting (placing feed such as corn, wheat, salt, or other feed to constitute a lure or enticement), or on or over any baited area where a person knows or reasonably should know that the area is baited. Hunters should be aware that a baited area is considered to be baited for 10 days after the removal of the bait. Non-food imitations–for example, plastic corncobs–are not prohibited.
So it looks like this topic is offically closed.
Scott Kolarchick |
| frank |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 08:23:09
Bob, from what the DNR officer told me I think if we attempted to harvest it and didn't do a "good enough" job then it still could be construed as baiting. Now I don't know for sure but that is my assumption based on the conversation with the officer I had. I like Willy was wondering why this wouldn't be like planting a food plot? I even asked that qustion and he never did give me a answer. The one thing to remember when dealing with the DNR is they (the officers) don't know "ALL" the rules and they very from officer to officer. We got a letter from Lansing saying it was legale to hunt cotornix quail that we released, I know a guy that did this and got a ticket from a DNR officer (that ticket was latter dismissed). He (the officer that wrote the ticket) said it was illegale to release non-native game birds and hunt them on state land and once they where released they became part of the "wild game bird population", this is true for "Native game birds" but not non-native game birds.
Frank Manning
LandManager North/East
frank1968@tds.net
(810)347-5292
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| B King |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 21:30:38
quote:
Originally posted by wbaie
I went through the regs last night again to make sure I was right. And food plots are not discussed. You can not bait for ducks but a food plot is not a bait pile. So if we are just dumping corn and other things out there ya then there is a violation. But planting that biologic rice is not baiting.
If a person was to "attempt" to harvest it in the fall. Would this be a harvestable crop like corn and beans?
Problem with the feds...all it has to do is smell wrong and they will arrest you. Like I said before. I know of a group of guys who went to court to defend themselves because of spillied corn in a neighboring field.
Bob King
ASC Out Of State Coordinator
bking@team-asc.com
kingfisher1719@aol.com |
| skola |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 13:28:53
I e-mailed the DNR the question. I will post the reply when I get it.
Scott Kolarchick |
| wbaie |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 11:28:19
I went through the regs last night again to make sure I was right. And food plots are not discussed. You can not bait for ducks but a food plot is not a bait pile. So if we are just dumping corn and other things out there ya then there is a violation. But planting that biologic rice is not baiting. |
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